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A Sense of Doubt blog post #3140 - Geometry of the Dream Place - Lovecraft and Non-Euclidean Spheres




A Sense of Doubt blog post #3140 - Geometry of the Dream Place - Lovecraft and Non-Euclidean Spheres


I have been reading a lot of Stephen Prince's Year in the Country texts and books on hauntology.




And I came across this idea of "Geometry of the Dream Place - Lovecraft and Non-Euclidean Spheres."

I was intrigued.

I am aware of the problematic nature of Lovecraft and his ideologies. I have written about that a few times on here, such as

But these ideas are interesting.

Here's a collection of what's out there.

It's fascinating stuff.

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H. P. Lovecraft and non-Euclidean geometry

Zeno Rogue
Jan 29, 2021

After creating the first versions of HyperRogue, I have learnt that people often associate non-Euclidean geometry with the works of H. P. Lovecraft (which I have not read by then). Later, I have also learnt that people say things like “non-Euclidean geometry is just the geometry on a sphere, Lovecraft was afraid of spheres”, suggesting that H. P. Lovecraft did not understand the meaning of the technical term he was using.

It appears that most people saying this got their knowledge from a popular video by Overly Sarcastic Productions. OSP seem to hate Lovecraft for his racism, and claim that whatever he did was stupid. However, it appears that Lovecraft actually understood non-Euclidean geometry better than OSP.

Misconceptions

Planes fly like this, because these lines are actually straight (i.e., the shortest lines on the surface of Earth); they only appear curved because of the Mercator projection.

The video says “since we live on a globe, all of our geometry is non-euclidean”. However, this is wrong for two major reasons.



The first reason is that all this curvature of Earth does not matter for the day-to-day life. While it does matter when you are creating maps or planning flights — it is the reason why all maps have to distort something, and why routes taken by planes appear curved — people believed for a long time that Earth is flat (and some still do): even for large structures such as the Great Wall of China, the non-Euclidean geometry of Earth’s surface causes the side walls to be only 675 nanometers longer.

More importantly, originally non-Euclidean geometry is about what would happen if straight lines did not behave as Euclid thought (for example, a triangle with three straight edges could have angles not adding up to 180°… and we do not really know whether they do add up to 180° in our real world, maybe they don’t, but our instruments are not precise enough). It is more accurate to say that a sphere is a model of non-Euclidean geometry. This is a model where straight non-Euclidean lines are modeled by curved Euclidean lines (great circles). Models are useful to explain a mathematical structure or prove that it makes sense, but they should not be taken literally (like you should not say that movies with airplanes are bad because your model airplane does not fly; or that the set of real numbers is countable because there is a countable model of ZFC): for a being living inside a non-Euclidean space, this triangle would have all its edges straight. Specialists and communicators often gloss over this difference (and consider “non-Euclidean” and “curved” to be essentially the same thing —because they behave the same when seen from the inside), but this seems to be confusing to non-specialists.



Three-dimensional spherical geometry. The “planet” above is not another planet, but another image of the planet below us, that is visible because of the non-Euclidean effects

The issue is that we are not two-dimensional beings living on a sphere, but we are actually three-dimensional beings. If you fly in a plane and light a flashlight, the light rays won’t circle around the Earth and light the back of your head. If we were actually living in two-dimensional spherical geometry, this is what would actually happen. The video above, our our introductory video Portals to Non-Euclidean Geometries, or the Hyperbolica video, shows how weird would perspective in three-dimensional spherical space be. Curved surfaces seen from the three-dimensional Euclidean space they are embedded in are much simpler than curved three-dimensional manifolds that you witness from the inside. (Our spacetime is curved, according to the General Relativity Theory, but the effects of this are even smaller than the effects of the curvature of Earth.) Also Lovecraft probably meant the negative curvature, which is rarer in our lives than the positive curvature of spheres.

Non-Euclidean geometry in Lovecraft has also been discussed in this blogpost from 2014. The author includes some nice pictures and some historical information, but seems to make a similar mistake — he thinks that non-Euclidean geometry just means that the surfaces are curved, which does not describe why R’Lyeh feels so alien: “I see the buildings and structures actually changing shape simply by viewing them from different points of view”. But, if the space itself is non-Euclidean, the light rays will follow the curvature, and buildings will change their apparent shapes from different points of view!

Recently, 3D visualization of non-Euclidean geometry are appearing. This includes non-Euclidean VR (playable online), 3D modes in HyperRogue, and upcoming games such as Hyperblock or Hyperbolica. These visualization allow us to see how an Euclidean explorer would feel when thrown into such a curved manifold. In the light of this knowledge, let’s see whether Lovecraft’s writings can be interpreted as accurate descriptions of such explorers (whether he actually understood non-Euclidean geometry himself, he consulted a mathematician, or this was just a coincidence).

Since the works of Lovecraft are currently in the Public Domain, we can download his complete works for free (or donating to the Equal Justice Inititative, as a counterbalance to Lovecraft’s racism), and learn that Lovecraft has actually used the term “non-Euclidean” just twice, in The Call of Cthulhu and in The Dream in the Witch House. In At The Mountains of Madness (1931), he mentions “There were geometrical forms for which an Euclid could scarcely find a name”, although this does not really refer to non-Euclidean geometry, but rather seems to simply say that the shapes were weird
(Euclid worked mostly with second order curves, there are lots of fractal shapes in the nature, and even not counting fractals, mathematicians today know many other shapes). In The Dreams in the Witch House (1932), the main character is studying “non-Euclidean calculus” (a rather weird term, it is geometry, not calculus), Riemannian geometry, quantum mechanics, and general relativity theory (“Planck, Heisenberg, Einstein, and de Sitter”) and hypothesises that our world is embedded in a higher dimensional space, and he could move through these extra dimensions by drawing weird angles. This seems to be more fantasy (if you draw angles in our three dimensions, you won’t exit them; also a manifold need not be really embedded in a higher dimensional space), and no details related to non-Euclidean geometry are given.

The Call of Cthulhu

The Call of Cthulhu (1926) is the most interesting; still, the references to non-Euclidean geometry are rare enough that we can basically list and comment on all of them in this post.




Loathsomely redolent of spheres and dimensions apart from ours… The round thing in this video is actually a plane. However, since the space is curved and the light rays follow the curvature, it appears to be circular.

He talked of his dreams in a strangely poetic fashion; making me see with terrible vividness the damp Cyclopean city of slimy green stone — whose *geometry*, he oddly said, was *all wrong* […] — this does not say much, but we will learn more about what Wilcox dreamed about later: Without knowing what futurism is like, Johansen achieved something very close to it when he spoke of the city; for instead of describing any definite structure or building, he dwells only on broad impressions of vast angles and stone surfaces — surfaces too great to belong to any thing right or proper for this earth, and impious with horrible images and hieroglyphs. I mention his talk about angles because it suggests something Wilcox had told me of his awful dreams. He had said that the geometry of the dream-place he saw was abnormal, non-Euclidean, and loathsomely redolent of spheres and dimensions apart from ours. Now an unlettered seaman felt the same thing whilst gazing at the terrible reality.

So Lovecraft says that there was something weird about angles in R’Lyeh. This is correct — non-Euclidean geometry is indeed about angles (in impossible spaces, recently often incorrectly called non-Euclidean by gamers, there is nothing weird about the angles, you see squares and rectangles with four right angles everywhere). Lovecraft could be describing hyperbolic geometry here; in hyperbolic geometry, you can fit much more in a ball of small radius than in Euclidean (see e.g. a ball of radius of 20m which has the area of Earth), so “surfaces too great to belong to any thing right or proper for this earth” makes sense. As shown in the video above, hyperbolic planes look circular, so they indeed could remind of spheres.

The very sun of heaven seemed distorted when viewed through the polarising miasma welling out from this sea-soaked perversion, and twisted menace and suspense lurked leeringly in those crazily elusive angles of carven rock where a second glance shewed concavity after the first shewed convexity.

Yeah, geometry in R’Lyeh is all wrong — not only the architecture. The space is curved, so the sun will look very weird. Since parallel lines diverge in hyperbolic space, faraway objects (such as the Sun) will look smaller than they are. They also will behave weirdly, as can be seen in first-person perspective modes in HyperRogue, where it appears that Sun and stars are quite close to the HyperRogue world (as they illuminate only a very small fragment of the world) — in fact, far away objects in hyperbolic geometry actually behave like this, because the non-Euclidean parallax effects are different. Probably the curvature does not change sharply from zero (Earth) to very high (R’Lyeh), but rather the space becomes more and more curved gradually. While the sailors were in the transitional area, the changing curvature could cause the sun to appear distorted.

Angles are weird here in the {4,3,5} honeycomb…

The quote about concave and convex angles is very interesting. When I have read this for the first time after exploring only the hyperbolic plane, and mostly in the Poincaré model, I thought that Lovecraft was wrong — an angle is either concave or convex, no matter how you look at it. However, see the video above — it is the {4,3,5} hyperbolic honeycomb but with some of the cubes filled. The video starts quite normal, a world created of cubes, similar to Minecraft. However, soon, the cubes start looking weird —when I have perceived this effect for the first time, it was striking that sometimes we do see one face of the face and don’t see the other face we would expect; sometimes that other face is seen at a more acute angle than expected, sometimes we see two faces which appear to be at a right angle (and thus belong to the same cube), but their colors are different, which means that they are actually different cubes.

These effect happen for two reasons: first, the dihedral angles of our cubes are 72°, not 90°; second, the perceived projection of hyperbolic space is the Beltrami-Klein model, in which the straight lines are straight but the angles are not mapped faithfully, so the same angles may look concave or convex depending on where you are looking at them from. (This is the opposite of e.g. the Mercator projection or the Poincaré model, which both map angles faithfully while distorting straight lines.) This effect is hard to see in the honeycomb images from Wikipedia, or non-Euclidean VR; our visual system is so used to the Euclidean geometry that it does not interpret the image correctly, what you see as an angle of a cube is likely the angle of two adjacent cubes (144°). Here is the online version where you can explore this yourself — press “full screen” button, rotate camera with the mouse, go forward with End — although it is very slow, the native HyperRogue executable, upcoming HyperRogue VR, or the upcoming hyperbolic voxel game HyperBlock, should show the effect better.

It was, Johansen said, like a great barn-door; and they all felt that it was a door because of the ornate lintel, threshold, and jambs around it, though they
could not decide whether it lay flat like a trap-door or slantwise like an outside cellar-door. As Wilcox would have said, the geometry of the place was all wrong. One could not be sure that the sea and the ground were horizontal, hence the relative position of everything else seemed phantasmally variable.

It is not clear how the gravity would work in hyperbolic space, but it would definitely feel unnatural to us. In our world, every object falls down, and the “down” directions taken by all falling objects are parallel. Parallel lines in non-Euclidean geometries work differently, so it is not clear how this would work. Various gravity lands in HyperRogue explore various kinds of gravity. Johansen and his team experienced this weirdness with their own senses.

What Parker imagined (left), what it actually was (right). The green line is the correct route to the boat, but Parker thought he will also get there if he goes the other way around the obstacle (the red route) — in fact, he ended in a completely different place!

Parker slipped as the other three were plunging frenziedly over endless vistas of green-crusted rock to the boat, and Johansen swears he was swallowed up by an angle of masonry which shouldn’t have been there; an angle which was acute, but behaved as if it were obtuse.

It is very easy to get lost in hyperbolic space, because there is much more space than in Euclidean. In Euclidean geometry, if you go 10 meters to the North then 10 meters to the East, you end up in the same location as when you go East first and then North; in hyperbolic geometry, the two locations might be almost 40 meters from each other. Holonomy effects also bring some confusion. (The easiness of getting lost, as well as the mind-bending size of the hyperbolic structures, are crucial for the design of various quests and game mechanics in HyperRogue.) It appears that, while the sailors were escaping, they encountered some kind of structure (for example, a right-angled pentagon) which they needed to go around; Parker went in the wrong direction, and he got lost (since it was a right-angled pentagon, not a square as he assumed).

Conclusion

This seems to be all non-Euclidean effects mentioned in The Call of Cthulhu; as we can see from this analysis, Lovecraft’s description gives a rather impressive and accurate description of how an Euclidean would feel in a non-Euclidean world, which is quite amazing given that he did not have access to modern visualizations of non-Euclidean spaces. Interestingly, the narrator in The Call of Cthulhu is named Francis Wayland Thurston, and William Thurston is one of the most important mathematicians working on non-Euclidean geometry in XX century — some of the so called Thurston geometries are even weirder than spherical or hyperbolic geometries, with structures changing their apparent shapes a lot more. If you know any other interesting places where Lovecraft described weird geometrical effects, please say so in the comments!


https://lovecraftianscience.wordpress.com/2014/10/26/a-tale-of-two-lovecraftian-cities/



Lovecraft's mathematical horrors

Sometimes we can find on the web something of interesting, like the following review of the 4D Man.
We can read on Wikipedia:
Brilliant but irresponsible scientist Tony Nelson (James Congdon) develops an amplifier that allows any object to achieve a 4th dimensional (4D) state. While in this state that object can pass freely through any other object.
Reading these words I immediatly think to Howard Philips Lovecraft and his Cthulhu Mythos, in particular to Dream in the Witch House. In this short story Walter Gilman, a student of mathematics, lives in the house of Keziah Mason, one of the Salem's witches. In the story there are some mathematically interesting quotes:
She had told Judge Hathorne of lines and curves that could be made to point out directions leading through the walls of space to other spaces beyond (...)
We can argue the Lovecraft's use for his purpouse of the non-euclidean geometry, in particular in the following quotation:
[Gilman] wanted to be in the building where some circumstance had more or less suddenly given a mediocre old woman of the Seventeenth Century an insight into mathematical depths perhaps beyond the utmost modern delvings of Planck, Heisenberg, Einstein, and de Sitter.
or in the following point, in which HPL seems refer to Riemann's hypotesys:
He was getting an intuitive knack for solving Riemannian equations, and astonished Professor Upham by his comprehension of fourth-dimensional and other problems (...)
Indeed Gilman was studying
non-Euclidean calculus and quantum physics

Illustration by Greg Nemec
And Walter, dreaming, has experienced the high dimensional space of the limitless abysses:
abysses whose material and gravitational properties, and whose relation to his own entity, he could not even begin to explain. He did not walk or climb, fly or swim, crawl or wriggle; yet always experienced a mode of motion partly voluntary and partly involuntary. Of his own condition he could not well judge, for sight of his arms, legs, and torso seemed always cut off by some odd disarrangement of perspective; (...)
Durign his travel in the fourth-dimension, Gilman seen
risms, labyrinths, clusters of cubes and planes, and Cyclopean buildings
that are characteristic in lovecraftian literature.
Another non-euclidean reference is in The Call of Cthulhu(1):
He said that the geometry of the dream-place he saw was abnormal, non-Euclidean, and loathsomely redolent of spheres and dimensions apart from ours.
And Cthulhu itself is a fourth dimensional creature. Cthulhu was one of the Great Old Ones: these creatures
(...) were not composed altogether of flesh and blood. They had shape (...) but that shape was not made of matter.
We can imagine Cthulhu in our world like the projection of a dodecaplex in a three dimensional space, for example:

The images was realized by Paul Nylander using Pov-Ray
Some other interesting figure come from projection of 4-dimensional solids are the 4-dimensional spheres in our 3-dimensional geometry:

Claudio Rocchini on Commons
The hyperspheres(2) have a most important role in mathematics and topology. Indeed in 1900 Henri Poincaré stated his famous conjecture:
Every simply connected, closed 3-manifold is homeomorphic to the 3-sphere.
But... what is a manifold?
This mathematical object was introduced by Riemann in 1851 in his doctoral thesis: he had need to introduce in his work some highdimensional objects, thereby affecting the non-Euclidean geometries. The manifolds, indeed, are particular spaces in which Euclidean geometry is valid only in small portions, but loses its validity as we study more great portions of the manifold. A three-dimensional manifold is the sphere, for example: if we drawn a triangle on a sphere, the sum of its interior angles is 230°, while on the plane the sum is 180°. So while the surface of the sphere as a whole is governed by a non-Euclidean geometry, a small portion of his surface has the Euclidean properties: you could then simply say that a manifold is a space whose geometrical properties vary according to the watching scale.
simply connected space is an indivisible space, meaning that it cannot be divided into other subspaces, both closed or open (and this is the connection) and, above all, every closed curve can be deformed to coincide with a point (and then the connected space becomes simply connected). Example of a simply connected space is, once again, a sphere.
In order to explain closure, I make an example. Let us consider a metric space X, a space where you can define a distance d between two given points xy. Then let us consider a subspace M of X: we can define the distance of any point a from space M as the minimum distance between a point and x of M. The closure of M will consist of all points of X whose minimum distance of M is zero. Surely all points of M belong to the closure of of M (each point is in fact at distance zero from himself), which must be added that can be defined as the edge of M. Then a subspace can be defined as closed if it coincides with its closure.
And finally the homeomorphism.
First of all we must define the application (or map): it is a function that associates to every point x the value f(x). An application f is an omeomorphism if it is one-to-one (to every x there is one and only one f(x)) and if it preserves the closure. In other words if the transformation of the closure of the space M coincide with the closure of the transformation of the space M:
f(M¯¯¯¯¯)=f(M)¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
So it could be more clear the translation of the conjecture:
It exists a way to transform every geometrical shapes close and without hole in a 4th dimensional space in a 4th dimensional sphere.
The conjecture became a real mathematical theorem in 2010 when Clay Institute accepted Perelman's demonstration(4, 5, 6).
I have had many severecriticism because of the concrete and tangible nature of some of my "cosmic horrors". Variants of the general theme include defeats of the visible laws of time (...) and transcensions of the boundary-lines of Euclidean space.
(HP Lovecraft)


An interesting article about Lovecraft and Mathematics is H.P. Lovecraft: a Horror in Higher dimensions by Thomas Hull. Nemec's illustration comes from this paper.
Sagan's video from Miskatonic Museum
(1) In this short story there is also another mathematical reference:
After vigintillions of years great Cthulhu was loose again, and ravening for delight.
where vigintillions is 1063
(2) Exotic spheres, or why 4-dimensional space is a crazy place by Richard Elwes
(4) The entropy formula for the Ricci flow and its geometric applications
(5) Ricci flow with surgery on three-manifolds
(6) Finite extinction time for the solutions to the Ricci flow on certain three-manifolds


At the Mountains of Madness by Stephan Mcleroy

Again, the above -



Geometry of the Dream-Place, 2019
Inkjet Print, 150x110cm


SOME REDDIT:





These are good resources. The archive is a rich collection, and the two articles below the archive are excellent reads.


HP Lovecraft Archive

Notes on Writing Weird Fiction
By H. P. Lovecraft


Supernatural Horror in Literature
By H. P. Lovecraft


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